Anyone who still proclaims the moral superiority of the Horde over the Alliance really needs to visit the
Apothecarium in the Undercity. The domain of the
Royal Apothecary Society features hanging torsos, a
poisoned tauren, and various
tortured Alliance members. And, as you can see, they're putting together an Abomination that still appears to be conscious (his eyes move in-game). Some people think this is where they make the UC guards. I choose to believe that this is where the Forsaken constantly rebuild
Stitches, in an effort to wipe out all Alliance in the 20-29 bracket. Thanks to our anonymous submitter!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
The Hammer Jul 7th 2008 10:10AM
Bah, the True Horde don't do that, etc, etc!
(Aren't the Forsaken allies of the Horde, rather than part of it anyway?)
darkra Jul 7th 2008 10:32AM
I often wonder, why in heaven's name we Tauren are part of the Horde...
Orcs: corrupt savages, held back to return to their plundering ways almost singlehandedly by Thrall.
Trolls: Savage cannibals that "supposedly" gave up their voodoo ways (see troll priest racial to realise how much they actually have), acting friendly only cause orcs have them leashed.
Forshaken: What can i say? Bloodthirsty zombies, their only goal is to eliminate all life, their very existance is an insult to everything Tauren believe in.
Blood Elfs: Corrupt, snobbish and in withdrawal. They want nothing to do with us, we certainly want nothing to do with them.
I hereby propose that the noble Taurens abandon this unsaviory company and join the alliance... yeah, the human government is corrupt to the bone, yes, Staghelm is a bastard, yes the draenai have tentacles and a newborn tauren is taller that a gnome, but we got to pick the lesser of 2 evils here...
ps. Anyone noticed that the news are reallyyyyy slow today...just lazy Monday, or they are preparing something big? *fingers crossed*
Hurode Jul 7th 2008 10:48AM
The orcs saved Cairne's Tauren from the centaur and the tauren allied with the horde to repay the blood debt.
darkra Jul 7th 2008 11:09AM
pfff the higher level centaur ingame is lvl40, big deal.
We helped him defend the World Tree and save the world, I think we are pretty much even and we can go our merry ways now.
Plus, the alliance got mechanochickens!
TobiasX Jul 7th 2008 11:11AM
Horde
Orcs: Shamanistic, almost entirely thanks to Thrall.
Trolls: Renegade tribe. They could still be partying in Zul'Aman.
Forsaken: So they're reanimated bodies of humanity, what's the problem?
Bloodelves: Did a belf steal your boyfriend? :P
Alliance
Humans: Dragon in charge
Nelfs: Wannabe Illidan in charge
Draenai: Octopus in charge
Gnomes: Gnome in charge
Dwarves: Beer in charge (the only good thing about the alliance)
To be honest I'd like to see the Forsaken & Belfs break off with the Naga to form a third faction, but it probably won't happen... yet.
darkra Jul 7th 2008 11:19AM
Orcs: cut the "almost" out and you got it. Metzen in last year's comicon hinted that if Thrall died the orcs would be back snrling and cutting heads off in no time.
Trolls: the Darkspear originated in STV, where they got their ass kicked and ended in a small island near the maelstorm, where they got their ass kicked by MURLOCS and Thrall had to save them... great allies.
Forsaken: The "creating a plague to erradicate all life" kind of worries me a little bit...
Blood elves: Yeah this is part of my problem, Lothemar and his harem of young boys, getting high on arcane and stealing Light.
Not saying the Alliance are any better...but they got MECHANOCHICKENS!
ILikePvPbuthatePvPers Jul 7th 2008 11:53AM
The only trolls in the Horde are the Darkspear Tribe. Oh and they never dropped Voodoo. That's their religion. They stopped the darker aspects of their religion, like cannibalism and humanoid sacrifices, but they still have Voodoo. They still use hexes and curses. Nothing wrong with that if a "noble" mage can blast your face full of fire.
As for the Forsaken and the Blood Elves. They're not really part of the Horde. Also, realistically, the Forsaken government's plans wouldn't be well-known to everybody. That'll be like the American public knowing what exactly is going in in the Pentagon or Area 51. And realistically, people shouldn't even be able to walk into the chambers of the racial leaders quite easily. Those would normally be private and heavily guarded.
Calaana Jul 7th 2008 12:02PM
The Alliance welcomes the Tauren, and in exchange to the horde for leaving Mulgore alone, offers the horde Stagehelm, onyixa-in-human-form and all gnomes with pink hair(The d-students).
To the Tauren, as a good will token, we offer to devote what's left of the gnome population to developing mech's for our hooved brothers and sisters.
Oh, and you can pick a day of the month to make "Male Draenei hunting day".
Hurode Jul 7th 2008 12:06PM
...I don't think the actual lore behind Warcraft has a concept of "levels". Think about it. Just for a random example, the guards in Ironforge are like level 60-something, shouldn't the gnomes have taken back Gnomeregan by now if level was relative to what actually goes on in the universe?
Badger Jul 7th 2008 2:48PM
Darkra: I think you missed the part where racist Alliance officers took a giant genocidal shit on half the people included on your list.
JR Jul 7th 2008 6:45PM
The reason the Tauren are so noble is because they have no history. They just popped up.
Dan Jul 7th 2008 6:54PM
http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1049
"The Forsaken whom we have allied with have a history wrought with deceit. Too hasty was our pact. Perhaps Cairne would have been wise to heed the warnings from Orgrimmar."
It appears, at least from what Sage Truthseeker tells us, that it was Cairne who was driving the alliance with the forsaken, not Thrall. (Likely due to Magatha Grimtotem's advice, but still.) So I doubt anyone in the alliance would accept the "noble" Tauren, given their choice in allies.
All in all though, from the same quest you can see that the undead's plans are *not* something that is common knowledge in the horde.
The quests about the plague is not restricted to undead only, but that is for gameplay reasons, not lore reasons. And besides, no player can choose to reveal to Thrall what the Forsaken are up to, which implies that only those who are loyal to the Forsaken are allowed knowledge about the plague (most likely expecting to become a forsaken themselfs when the plague hits).
Tridus Jul 7th 2008 10:44AM
Or read the recent lore stuff on Malorne here on WI, which talks about the number of Cenarius' sons that the Horde have killed off.
"We're not bad guys! We just let that guy hang around while he pays people to murder Keepers of the Grove and stuff."
Two of the five Horde factions are pretty well openly evil (unless you call enslaving a Naaru to drain its power, and creating plagues to wipe out the living something not-quite-evil anyway), and the other three put up with it. This isn't exactly a faction of good guys.
ILikePvPbuthatePvPers Jul 7th 2008 11:59AM
The Forsaken government is pretty evil. But saying every forsaken is evil is just asinine. Go to Eastern Plaguelands and meet Bartholomew the Revered.
Oh and the quest is there to show that the Shadow Council have deeply infiltrated the Horde. They're trying to dismantle the new Horde from within.
Oh and Blood Elves have been redeemed. Have you not installed patch 2.4.3 yet? *rolls eyes*
Hurode Jul 7th 2008 10:50AM
It's not just the Forsaken, either. Next time you're in Silvermoon, stop by the tailoring shop and check out the basement. The blood elves have enslaved the leper gnomes to do sewing work of the more literal variety.
Jay Jul 7th 2008 11:19AM
Tauren are too delicious looking, dwarves and gnomes would marinade and grill the entire race the second they joined the Alliance.
Candina@WH Jul 7th 2008 12:34PM
I think the 'horde/alliance' factions should fracture. It would make a great Warcraft expansion (NOTE: NOT World of Warcraft, at least in the beginning).
The Tauren and Nelfs, and the Broken (from Outlands) led by the cenarion circle unite to heal Azeroth, restore the world tree and cleanse the Emerald dream. The Orcs, Trolls and Dranei Lead a crusade to crush the Legion on other worlds. The Gnomes, Dwarves and Goblins unite against the old gods (which the dwarven archologist have unleashed), while the Humans, the Undead and The Belfs drive back the scourge.
thatquietgamerdude Jul 7th 2008 1:49PM
The tauren can be just as "savage" as Orcs in battle. And that word is just Alliance propaganda. It seems like a people are only savage when they aren't on their side.
If Thrall died now then the most likely candidate for leader would be Drek'thar, who taught Thrall everything about shamanism. And Eitrigg, one of Thrall's advisors, is best friends with the leader of the Argent Dawn, Tirion Fordring.
People need to stop it with this "Blood Elves are evil, the Forsaken are evil" nonsense. Humankind has engaged in slavery & depraved killing, but does that make all humans evil? There are a lot of evil Forsaken, and who knows what Sylvanas is planning, but from what I have seen in-game a lot of the Forsaken are just regular (zombie) people, who don't have a mad desire to destroy life. And there are a lot of Blood Elves giving their lives right now to stop their former king from summoning Kil'jaeden into Azeroth.
The point is that neither the Alliance nor the Horde are pure good or evil.
JR Jul 7th 2008 5:48PM
Comments about "evilness" only make sense when applied to FACTIONS, not RACES. And when you do it, you see there are only two evil factions in this game: Forsaken and Silvermoon Blood Elfs.
This is not necessarily something bad, since lots of people like to play evil characters. If the Forsaken and the Blood Elfs splitted up and formed their own faction, I would definitely play there.
JR Jul 7th 2008 5:50PM
"And when you do it, you see there are only two evil factions in this game: Forsaken and Silvermoon Blood Elfs."
I meant playable factions here. I'm not comparing the Forsaken to the Burning Legion! :)